I feel really stuck between being a butch lesbian and being transmasculine also and i dont know what to do about it cause like. Im bisexual. Im seventeen so this doesnt even matter for now, but god i was a lesbian for so long, and then i was a boy for a year and i realized i like boys, and now i kinda wanna go back to lesbianism but i cant anymore bc this cant be re-repressed. Transmasculine is good for now but i feel. Weird about it. I wish i could just be a butch on T in the 90s
turing-tested:
I know this doesn’t fix other stresses you have going on but you can…..just be a butch and transmasc. you can be butch and also go on T, I am 3 years on T and I’ve never been more at peace with my body
as for the other things you mentioned, for me my attraction to me tapered off soon after I realized I just didn’t have the connection to manhood I thought I did, because of a variety of reasons, including ‘i don’t want to be in a relationship with a man with this specific dynamic/relationship to my gender’ and following that I just didn’t have the same attraction to men that I’d had.
and additionally……and someone may be very mad at me for this, but if you feel this much anxiety about attraction to men, if you feel this upset about being attracted to men, that’s worth looking at. attraction is supposed to feel good. it’s supposed to be nice and not fill you with uncomfortable feelings.
and while someone may be further mad at me, the thing that made me finally realize I was a lesbian was that im not interested in men, which is different than being attracted to them. if you aren’t comfortable with being in a relationship with a man, if it’s not something that you feel would make you happy, or give you want you need…..that’s ok. you don’t have to factor people into your orientation that you aren’t interested in. you do not have to recategorize your entire orientation around possibilities or people you are not interested in. if you want.
it’s up to you how you categorize yourself and I don’t know your exact feelings so I’m just offering up my experiences and a final note:
you can be on T and not be a man, and you can be on T and be a lesbian. you can be on T and be bisexual as well. nothing you’ve said here precludes you from doing what makes you comfortable.
*I am not saying that this person is not bi and am more so relating to my own experiences that I have had that are similar in feeling and what happened with those feelings and the conclusions I drew from them. this person is obviously handling a lot of new different things and difficult problems to handle with their identity and I am offering the perspective that I have lived.
I know this is a whole thing, but for a somewhat opposite perspective for anon, it’s also entirely possible for you to like some boys/men and still be a lesbian if that’s what feels most comfortable to you right now.
A future-you may feel differently about boys or about the comfort of lesbianism as a category for yourself. Which is fine. That’s really your journey to figure out, and to keep figuring out. No one else can be you to know what is most appropriate for you.
What @turing-tested is saying about T being irrelevant to essentializing your gender or sexuality is absolutely right. But I reblogged this from someone whose takeaway was how destructive and confusing the trend of labeling has been, and this takeaway seems entirely due to an essentializing and exclusionary tendency going along with the labels rather than the labels themselves.
This may not be a great comparison for everyone, but if you view these identities less as medicalizing, essentialist terminology and more as an ad-hoc tag system, they have a lot more utility and a lot less harm to anyone.
It’s true that the way you feel about yourself at 17 may not be the way you feel at 25 or 40 or 80, but so what? Either the tag was useful or wasn’t; everyone else is living their lives and terms will change or new ones will come along all the time. We don’t need to slip into fear of contagion or complain that “words have meaning” or fret on behalf of poor young people who are “confused” when they’re talking about what feels most right and is most helpful for them at that time.
Anyway, hopefully, the “tag” versus “exclusive medicalized category” distinction resonates with other people. But this paper by Taiwanese queer researcher Josephine Ho was really revelatory in terms of how long these conversations have been going on, how arbitrary most of the distinctions ultimately are when you drill down deep enough (see: the fisting discussion or judging forearms not genitals), and how little we’ve changed—arguably, we’ve regressed—in almost two decades since that was written.
It’s downright depressing reviewing how a half-century since the issues of bisexuality and trans-ness became possible to recognize, we as a community remain ultimately stuck in place due to a lack of familiarity with queer history and an inability to identify what’s the matter structurally with exclusionist arguments versus relying on in-group clues to reject specific TERFs, aphobes, etc.
Trans-Sexuality: Bisexual Formations and the Limits of Categories (2003)
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